I know, a crazy title and a long post, just read it! : as Survival still is one of the best game modes on the server and for a good reason. In fact, it is the "OP Survival" that has attracted me to this server, because I am not able to find another survival server on the multiverse that is not a vanilla server: by this I mean that what sets NobleCraft Survival away from the other servers is that you can build whatever you want quickly because blocks are cheap and sold at shops often, instead of you having to devote time to getting common blocks you can devote time to getting rare blocks and rare items for money, which you can use to buy practically anything, it is this joined together with awesome plugins that truly makes it a game mode we all enjoy. Some people do not like this concept of "non-vanilla Survival", but players prefer this, because if they wanted vanilla survival they would probably go on to another server in the multiverse because NobleCraft is probably too over-powered. Anyway, remember that thing about getting cheap items fairly easily through shops? That is the topic I want to talk about today. Ever since I have been on Survival (which is not that long) I have always got cheap items from /Warp Marsh or /Warp Walmart or /Warp Shop (All the same shop), which is truly much cheaper than all competitors. But, this is a big but so look at it carefully, the server uses Player Shops. Player shops do have lots of advantages such as players can make money from items they do not need and help people in need: after all "One man's trash is another's treasure" (though I may have got that quote thing wrong, anyway). But one of the major disadvantages is that players can buy stock from other shops and sell them for higher prices, now this is not a big problem in small communities with small shops on a big server because items have to be distributed for the server to "work" as such. However, if you have one big shop that is so big that the server relies on it - Talking about Walmart here, of course - and the owner(S) simply cannot restock it as often as they would like so they are running short on some items. Do you think that it is right for a person to buy the limited stock items and sell them for a much higher price than they were sold to him for? (Your supposed to be saying yes, but if you don't agree, I will add a small anecdote to help you understand the situation I am in) - One player goes out into the nether and collects some glow stone and proud of his work, he can not find any need for that glow stone and therefore he sells it in his shop to help other people, but then one day he can not restock because he is so busy and therefore a man (let us call him great dog, I won't say why as this is not a player complaint,) purchases all the glow stone and sells it for a considerably higher price. (Actually I will list how higher here: Marsh sells 1 glow stone for 7$, but greatdog takes it and sells it for 100$ at /warp EmpireMarket, now he will be making a 93$ profit every time somebody buys from him, which is great because that is arbitrage and that is the way business works in the first place, but here is the problem. Glowstone is limited, because if you go to the nether you will probably not find any glow stone for ages, same with quartz and so on (especially end stone and sponges, but that is one for another thread), so if great dog takes this limited glow stone, players are essentially forced to buy something off him if they want it, this isn't a problem if Marsh does it because Marsh's is cheap (Proof that it is cheap: Server Wealth is 254597652/25347 Users makes it so that the mean wealth of a user is around 10,000$ and Glow stone costs 0.07% of this but GreatD's would cost 1 percent of a user's wealth) , but that is a massive difference. Now this ruins the economy of survival because if somebody wanted to buy a stack and a half of glow stone from great dog they would probably be bankrupt, now this is how corruption of an economy begins even in business in the real world, now I understand that the resolutions for this matter are limited, but some of the few are listed below: Make Marsh's shop infinite with storage or make an actual community shop in which players can buy stuff for cheap prices (Player shops can still be used for rare items, though I would scrap player shops because the auction plugin is great for items <10,000 (the average wealth of a player and the limit)). - Though, this would mean Marsh wouldn't be too happy if she was poor (Sorry Marsh) , but is it better than getting her items sold for a much higher price than she does because this would mean her net worth will skyrocket down as players get richer than her? An alternative option is for Marsh to overprice her items (but nobody would like that). Another great alternative is for the Buy/Sell Plugin to allow a limit for how much items can be sold though most players would not like this. Those are just a few things to take into consideration if you want to save us from a great dog barking at us to buy his stuff. Anyway, here are a few things to consider before you flame with rage in the comments section! Great Dog vs Marsh: If we look at the Glow stone prices, Great Dog sells it for a 93% profit. There are 2 reasons this is not a player complaint against Great Dog ad hominem: I am not blaming him for anything, just using him as an example I want the community to hear how the death of the Survival we know is nigh and inevitable if this carries on (that may be a bit exaggerated ) 3. Excuse me for any grammar mistakes, that is wrong on my behalf and my education, you can hardly expect me as a 12-year-old to know all the grammar principles a grammar "Nazi" can tackle in this forum thread, thus, I will not be replying to grammar related arguments nor do I want them in the comments. xD Thank You for actually taking the time to read this! ~ItzDodger (Owner of /Warp Auto, this is a basically all a huge advert for my warp and me, HAH, "Deez Nutz, Got "eem" ) Feel free to comment your ideas and arguments below, though I do not support arguments against me ad hominem. I know there may be a debate between Earth and GreatDog (Grabs Popcorn!)
This is an incorrect assumption. There's many vanilla survival servers out there with 200-500 players. To suggest that they would play on a very small server or single player for vanilla is outrageous. There's even Noble Craft players who prefer vanilla over OP Survival. OP isn't challenging when it's PvE. It's way too easy to get items on Survival and with your post suggesting that Marsh get an infinite supply, that'll make it even easier.
I just want to toss in that if we have OP stuff, we should seperate it from Vanilla servers, because there are 3 sides of this server. PvP addicts, OP SMP players, and Vanilla/Difficult SMP players. PvP addicts have their satisfaction with KitPvP and comp 1v1s. But we seem to be having a lot of disputes about what should supposedly be Vanilla survival being too easy and OP, and that is very clearly true. I agree with Mike's main points of a more difficult survival server for hardcore players. There's no reason to act hardcore if you want things the easy way, and that's the bottom line.
I almost agree with the first half of your statement completely, It was wrong for me to make this assumption without any backing, I should change it to say "People who want to play vanilla usually go to other servers as NobleCraft is overpowered." As for your second paragraph, it is the fact that items are easy to get that makes people love this game mode so much: now making a server shop will make it even easier, especially if it is cheap. But the majority of economy survival servers have a server shop and fair really well, I was simply saying that the issue with player shops is restocking. Though I understand people could still buy from a server shop and sell for a cheaper price, but it is fairly unlikely if the shop is infinite and the prices are high anyway, thus, I was suggesting a server shop, in which it could somehow eliminate other player competitions - whether that be by making it infinite or disabling player shops altogether. Thank you for your opinions and corrections as well as general contributions to this thread. ~ItzDodger --- Double Post Merged, Feb 18, 2016, Original Post Date: Feb 18, 2016 --- We DO have op stuff and it is easy, this forum thread is claiming that this easy server is becoming harder, "the fall of the survival we know", the we know bit refers to this easy survival becoming harder, I am tocuhing the topic of what is harder vanilla survival, but shops alone can not single-handedly change the OP survival server to becoming vanilla, especially with the OP items and plugins. I do want things the easy way, and I will act hardcore about it because that is the vanilla "we know" and as you said before the OP SMP group of players is large on the server so I feel that I should adress this topic in a manner that is "hardcore". Oh and who is Mike? Thanks for your contributions, ~ItzDodger
So what you're asking for is OP Creative. A place where you don't have to venture out and explore but just go to a shop to get every item. You want things so easy that you're practically in peaceful mode.
Sorry --- Double Post Merged, Feb 19, 2016, Original Post Date: Feb 19, 2016 --- I'm sorry but that is the way survival practically is, it is basically creative where you can build whatever you want without hassle, and that is truly the way "we know" as a Noble Craft Survival community. It's not vanilla or PVP, it's just easy... If I wanted hard, I'd play vanilla or factions with PvP. I'm not asking for an OP Creative, it already practically is, but I understand that you are trying to say you want it easier and easier, but it would only make it a big easier, this isn't at the top of survival's problems - yet. I was just wondering if the community would allow this to carry on. Thanks, ~ItzDodger
Now you're just trolling. You're dismissing the argument that making Survival even more easier is just nonsense and complete trash. Why even make a discussion if you aren't willing to understand both sides? I'm done with this trash.
1) I should have put that in quotes, "I understand that you are saying that I want it easier and easier". 2) I am sorry for not understand both sides, I was making the point that Survival is already easy, OP in fact. I am sorry for not doing this, yet I still do not understand how that makes me a "troll". 3) Excluding all the points I have made, the thread just tells the community that people are taking items from other people and selling them for even higher prices: when those items are rare so players are practically forced to shop there and become broke. --- Double Post Merged, Feb 19, 2016, Original Post Date: Feb 19, 2016 --- I am simply arguing that this won't really make survival easier. Sorry for any misunderstandings I may have caused.
