Kitpvp - No Teaming Rule Removal

Now, if you have read the rules, you know that there is a rule that bans teaming. It was made because we have abused our privilege to team. Now, I understand that we have, and the rule has good intentions. Though only a handful of people follow this rule, I was just on and there were about seven teams. Yes I know, record and report. There is no way I am going to record ten videos an hour. There are definitely not enough active staff to make sure people follow this rule. The 2 staff members that actually moderate on Kitpvp are not on for too long.

Why have the rule when barely anyone follows it, and staff don't enforce it? It's just asking for a free ban, basically (by the imaginary staff members). To solve the issue without having OP teams again, we could have a limit of people. How big the limit is, is up to the person that creates the rules. I have also noticed that even when staff are on, the teams remain to dominate. I have made reports recently, but it's not something that takes 3 seconds. You have to record, upload, wait for it to process, then report. Some of my reports aren't even looked at yet. Like I have said before on other threads, some people can't record. Yes people will abuse the limit most likely, but at least then you can team on the teamers. I actually liked the rule, before everybody just started ignoring it. Now teams are everywhere, and trust me, it's not fun. You can even tell how it impacts the number of players online, there used to be way more people. I barely see any of the people that would normally play, it hurts the server count.

People have messaged me in game, and many can agree. That the rule isn't really stopping teams, in any way. Sure some of the people actually follow the rules, but the majority of the people online don't. It was more difficult when we weren't allowed to explain the rules to people, I've personally broke that rule 2 or 3 times, shhhh. At least now we can explain, but explaining doesn't work for some people. Take for example what happened to me 2 days ago:
Me: Hey, teaming isn't allowed.
Them: Stfu

Yeah that actually happened, awkward. A lot of people and I would really appreciate it, if this rule was removed. Yeah some staff will probably argue, but hey you guys are barely on Kitpvp. The amount of players on Kitpvp has been reduced by a very noticeable amount. I probably exaggerated a lot of things in this thread, but still... People don't follow the rule anwyays, does it have to remain there? >.<

 

Noble Craft has expanded, and most of the other servers that are more populated (Survival, Skyblock, Hub) need more help. They have a lot of new players, breaking lots of rules. If someone is teaming on KitPvP, you know where the report a player form is. Why don't you just use that? So what if it takes time, that is the same amount of time that it takes staff to punish them, and they have to be given a warning first. You know how the staff team work. Staff have lives, and I personally try to be on KitPvP, and I bet the other staff do also. I try to divide my time between servers.
Also, why make it allowed if everyone was complaining about teaming in the first place?
Obviously players didn't listen, and went teaming. Obviously there will always be those who break rules. If you think something is wrong with how the staff are working, there is always a way to private message AceEnigma, who would gladly answer your questions.

We as staff have lives, we can't be on KitPvP 24/7, if you want to help the community, why not record it and then post it on the forums? That would help everyone out by doing that. Also, staff can be vanished in KitPvP, monitoring chat, and if they notice someone is teaming, they can always investigate it. So, when you think staff aren't there, sometimes there is someone there. I am usually in vanish because I typically don't play KitPvP, due to the fact I am no good at it.

Thanks!

~SDogAlex

 

With the other rules, the majority follows them. On Kitpvp, not so much..

 

I don't see everyone on KitPvP following the Profanity/Abbreviated Profanity rule...

 

You clearly didn't read the whole thread..

 

Though you don't see people cursing every 3 seconds..

 

I don't see teaming every 3 seconds. Your reasoning was that barely anyone follows it. I see abbreviated profanity and profanity all the time on Noble-Craft. Teaming is something bigger to deal with. My upload time is 0.50 mbps, that takes time. It is much slower than uploading a screenshot for a mute/warning. This is what you don't realize Cookie. You say it takes time, and yes, it does. It takes a long time to get correct evidence, a long time to upload, plus, they are warned first. If they continue after the warning we have to get other evidence. You think that doesn't take long?

This rule should remain, so what if a lot of people do it, staff are working on getting the players banned. Too many people would dominate the server if this rule was changed. We are trying out best to prevent it

 

You don't see profanity all the time, I've been around longer than you have, trust me. You say teaming is something bigger to deal with, people team anyways. Does it make a big difference? Also the "You may not see them, but staff are on" thing doesn't happen too often, many times people will break the rules for hours. Yet the mysterious staff in vanish haven't banned/warned/muted them yet. It does take long to upload for some staff, but it's a job you volunteer for. Players try their best as much as you do to try to record, because there are obviously more of us than the staff members. Some people just leave, because they can't report and staff are not on. You said you have lives and can't be on 24/7. Well this thread wasn't to bash staff on purpose. Though you are blowing this up.. Staff have lives and I understand, most of us: go to school, meet with friends, do stuff with their family. Though when you see 3 staff members online a week, it annoys some people. Yeah we all have lives, but when some can not put in at least a little effort to a job they volunteered for, why are they there? This thread was for the 100+ players that play on the server, because players will still complain about teaming. Whether it's a rule or not, staff will be bugged about it. Some people don't even bother going to staff and just leave to play somewhere else.

Players will still bug staff, rule or not is all I am saying. It would make it easier for the people that follow the rules, because they can team on teamers. That is, when staff are not available and they can't record. I am sure many people have already learned that they have abused teaming and probably wont do it again, but we have to trust our community. So if they dominate, just make it a rule again.

 

To be perfectly honest the intrinsic problem with teaming is the fact that when newer players come online, they don't have anyone to team with. This generally results in them getting totally crushed. I understand your frustration regarding a lack of people following it, but that is not a fault of the rule. The problem here is we need more staff (hence our recent advances to opening up the staff team to more players, ie the implementation of the representative rank). I don't think a more complex rule with clauses and if-then-elses would really help our situation.

Potentially, we could write something that would identify teamers and notify staff (this is very possible, just a pain to code), the only issue is we need more staff in the first place. Regarding the reason why so many break this rule, well... that's because the risk-reward factor is pretty skewed here. If you swear, you gain nothing, only a potential mute. If you team, you gain a lot of potential to do well, increase your KDR and the like. As a direct result, people team quite commonly. I've banned people permanently for it (yes, that means following one after another... they ended up on their final warning and still teamed). But just because more people are tempted to team, doesn't mean we should ruin the game for those new to it.

One of the biggest problems found in faction servers back a few years ago (and even now, I'd imagine) is spawn campers. New players come in, heavily diamond armored players totally destroy them and they die. It happened a lot despite being banned on just about every server, some allow it but really... that's no fun. Beating someone in KitPvP should always feel like a test of might, 4 people, or 3 people, or even 2 people with semi-good armor ganging up on someone who just joined isn't really a runner for that reason.

 

I agree with you. Teaming on new people and just basically crushing them, is not cool. It's just I haven't seen any batch of helpers come in lately, so I tried to think of something else.

 

How many cases of stolen items have there been on A. Survival, B. Plots (before it reset), and C. Skyblock altogether? Maybe 400-500. Seems like a big number but these servers have been up for over a year (except Skyblock of course).

How many cases of profanity have there been? I'd guess 1000, but it's a chat offense, and many other servers allow it, so players may be confused.

How many teams on KitPvP will you see a day? 15-20. How many is that a week? 105 to 140. To an equivalent to the stolen items case, that's a whole bunch. Especially because staff aren't on KitPvP a lot.

 

I has a solution but I will post it in the suggestion forums when I'm done writing and editing it.